Archive of Questions and Answers about Combat Robotics
from Team Run Amok: Frequently Asked Questions


Team Run Amok receives a lot of email asking about the design and operation of combat robots. Several years ago, my son and team member Aaron Joerger (now 16) requested a question and answer page to document our responses. Aaron answers most of the questions, but I'll step in for highly technical replies.

Caution: Even small combat robots can be dangerous! Learn proper construction and safety techniques before attempting to build and operate a combat robot. Do not operate combat robots without proper safeguards.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Q: How do I search this page? The search box got me this far.

A: Use the search function in your browser to search a specific page: hit CTRL-F to bring up a page search box.



Q: What happened to all the robot combat tournaments?!!

A: I count 28 north american tournaments in 2007. Events were held in 11 U.S. states and Canada. There are also regularly scheduled robot combat tournaments in the U.K., Australia, and Brazil. Just because they aren't on TV doesn't mean they don't exist. Get out and participate!



Q: Are there any combat robot tournaments near where I live?

A: Check the Robot Fighting League Events Calendar and the Builders Database for events in the US and Canada. For British events, try The Fighting Robot Association.



Q: What do combat robots do and what are they good for?

A: Take a look at the Wikipedia article on Robot Combat for a good summary of the subject.



Q: Can you tell me how to build a combat robot?

A: There's way too much to cover here! Support your local public library -- there are some great books on building robots. Look on the shelves in section 629.892 for a good selection. You can check our Book Review Page for some specific recommendations.

It's a good idea to get to a robot competition to see what they are really like before you try to build your own robot. Check the Robot Fighting League site and the Builders Database for listings of competitions all across the U.S.



Q: How should I construct my spinner weapon? What motors and materials should I use to still have weight allowance left for the chassis and weapon?

A: We're happy to answer specific questions about robot design, construction, and materials, but we're not here to design your robot for you.

  • Answers to generic design questions, and tools to help with other design considerations can be found in the Ask Aaron Archives.
  • Do your homework, read thru the archives, and come back with specific questions that haven't already been answered here.
  • We need enough information about your design and requirements to have some shot at a useful answer.



Q: Where is the best place to start a new hobby like combat robotics?

A: Start out small -- it's a lot less expensive to learn from mistakes you make on a 12 pound robot than on a 220 pound monster. Study their rules, watch a live competition, learn what you can from the internet, and ask specific questions of the builders. Check out the library and bookstores for help on building robots, too. Amazon.com has lots of robot books.



Q: How do you draw plans for a 'bot and get every thing in the right place?

A: Robot builders design and build 'bots all different ways. Some use computer drawing software to design every last detail before they buy parts. Some build exact models from cardboard to see how things fit. Some just buy lots of parts and see if they can fit them together like a jigsaw puzzle. I like to list all the parts I think I'll need, sketch a drawing, and add up the weights of the parts to make sure I'm under the weight limit. If you stick with proven parts that other builders use, you won't get into too much trouble.



Q: Where can I get really cheap combat robot parts?

A: You're going to spend a lot of time and effort building your 'bot and going to a tournament. When some component fails in combat and puts you out of the competition, you're gonna wish you hadn't gone cheap. In particular, don't scrimp on electronics! With experience you'll learn where you can save money, but it's not gonna be on key components like speed controllers and wheel hubs.

'Cheap' and 'Combat Robot' don't go together!



Q: Where can I buy good parts to build a combat robot?

A: A good place to start is robotmarketplace.com. If you can't find it there, you probably don't need it. Other sources:

Team Delta
BaneBots
Microbotparts.com

Don't forget to support your local hobby shop!



Q: What type of combat robot weapon is best?

A: If there was one type of weapon that was 'best', everyone would be using it. Although the highest ranked combat robots generally use high-powered spinning weapons, those teams are very experienced builders. Overall, you might be surprised by what weapons win the most matches.



Q: Would it be a good idea to make a [insert weight class here] with a flame weapon that would fry the competition?

How does [insert flamebot name here]'s flame weapon work?

A: You can search the Robot Weapons archive for 'flame' to find our many previous posts on flame weapons. To summarize:

  1. Flame weapons are ineffective in any weight class.

  2. Flame weapons are built by very experienced builders who just want to show off.

  3. We will not discuss flame weapon construction here because we don't want novice builders hurting themselves.

  4. By the time you are experienced enough to safely build a flame weapon you won't need to ask me how to do it.

  5. That flamebot that you're about to tell me is successful was built by a very experienced and well financed team and would be just as successful without the flame weapon.



Q: Is [insert weapon type here] a legal combat robot weapon?

A: Check the current Robot Fighting League rules for details on allowable weapons.



Q: What armor should I use on my 'bot?

A: See our Armor Guide.



Q: I bought all the parts I need to build my robot (battery, drive motors, ESC, weapon motor, weapon ESC, transmitter, receiver, crystals) but just realized I don't know how to assemble everything! Can you briefly describe how everything connects?

A: Basic combat robot wiring. Very briefly, with a number of assumptions:

  • The power input pads for drive ESC, weapon ESC, and power indicator light connect in parallel to the battery via a plug so you can disconnect the battery to charge it. Get the polarity correct! If you want to add a charging plug, see the charging jack post.
  • Drive motors connect to the motor output tabs on the drive ESC -- weapon motor to the power output tabs on the weapon ESC.
  • Two three-wire R/C input cables attach to the drive ESC signal inputs, and one R/C cable for the weapon ESC. They may already be attached. If not, double check the correct connection of the three wires (power+, power-, and signal) -- if you get it wrong you'll fry something.
  • Drive ESC R/C cables plug into whichever channel ports you'll be using on the receiver: typically 1 and 2 if you're mixing, 2 and 3 if you're not. The weapon ESC R/C cable plugs into a spare channel of your choice.
  • The crystals for receiver and transmitter are different -- plug the correct crystals into the receiver and transmitter
The receiver gets its power from the drive ESC via the R/C cable - no need for other power. Check the manual for your weapon ESC to make sure it isn't providing power to the receiver as well: if it is, you'll need to clip the power+ lead (red) on it's R/C cable. If everything works, but the controls aren't correct, check the Common Robot Control Problems and Solutions section of our Radio Programming Guide.



Q: What's your best tip for robot building?

A: My best robot tip is to make sure the basics of the chassis and drivetrain are really well built. I see lots of 'bots lose matches because something really simple wasn't designed well: wheels fall off, battery packs break free, unsecured wires come loose. The most insane weapon is no use at all if the chassis or drive fails.



Q: What are the minimum radio system requirements for my robot?

A: Radio System Requirements from the RFL 2008 Rules.
Check with the event organizer for any variation in these requirements.

Robots with
passive weapons
Minimum Radio Requirement Fail-Safe Required
Drivetrain Weapon
1 pound & under AM or Toy OK NO ---
3 and 6 pound AM or Toy OK NO ---
Hobbyweight AM or Toy OK NO ---
30 pound & up Coded FM or Digital 900 MHz/2.4 GHz Required YES---

Robots with
active weapons
Minimum Radio Requirement Fail-Safe Required
Drivetrain Weapon
1 pound & under FM Required NO YES
3 and 6 pound FM Required YES YES
Hobbyweight Coded FM or Digital 900 MHz/2.4 GHz Required YES YES
30 pound & up Coded FM or Digital 900 MHz/2.4 GHz Required YES YES



Q: What is the difference between a brushed and a brushless motor?

A: A brushed permanent magnet direct current (PMDC) motor has a rotating 'armature' of wire coils, typically wound around iron pole cores. The armature is positioned in a field generated by stationary permanent magnets. Electrical power is transferred to and correctly switched between the armature windings as they rotate by stationary brushes pressing against a set of contacts on the armature (the 'commutator'). There is a good diagram at Wikipedia: DC Motors. The brushes sliding across the commutator create friction, wear, and inefficiency.

A brushless PMDC motor has stationary wire coils and rotating permanent magnets. Since the coils are stationary, sliding brushes and commutator are not required -- however, the switching of electrical power to the correct coil windings must be handled by an 'intelligent' motor controller that senses the position of the rotating permanent magnet field. If the rotating magnets are outside the wire coils, the motor is an 'outrunner' or 'rotating can' design. If the rotating magnets are surrounded by the wire coils, it is called an 'inrunner'.



Q: Can brushless Electronic Speed Controllers for brushless motors be used with brushed motors and visa versa?

A: Speed controllers for brushed and brushless motors are very different in design and cannot be interchanged.



Q: What brushless motor would be best for an antweight spinner? Would the [insert motor name here] work well?

A: All the tools you need to evaluate spinner weapons and motors can be found in the archives. There's a ton of information about weapon motor selection in the Motors & Controllers archive, and a metric buttload of answers to weapon design questions in the Robot Weapons archive. In particular, the Team Run Amok Spinning Weapon Excel Spreadsheet will detail and graph the performance of specific motor/weapon pairings.



Q: How much can I overvolt a [insert motor name here]?

A: It is common practice in combat robotics to run weapon and drive motors at higher voltages than they are rated in order to obtain greater power. How far a motor can be overvolted depends in part on how much load is placed on it. If allowed to bog down close to stall, an overvolted motor will not survive long. Better results will be obtained by setting up gearing and wheel diameter so the motor can provide enough torque to spin the wheels before it slows below about half the free RPM of the motor. The Team Tentacle Torque & Amp-Hour Calculator can help you select wheel sizes that will keep the amp load reasonable at elevated voltages.

Also, be aware that high performance airplane motors are already being stretched about as far as they can go on voltage, while motors from industrial equipment will usually take a large voltage increase in stride.



Q: What is a gyro and what does it do?

A. Check out our Beginners Guide to Combat Robot Gyros.



Q: Does [insert robot combat team name here] still or ever have a website?

A: Pretty much everybody has or had websites. Here's my trick:

  1. Go to the RobotCombat.com Links Page and click on the link to the team you want. Click 'U.K. Robots' at the top of the page to list British teams.

  2. If the site no longer exists or no longer has robot info, copy the URL and go to The Wayback Machine.

  3. Paste the URL into the search box and hit the 'Take Me Back' button.

  4. You'll get a dated list of archived 'snapshots' for that site you can click up.
Some pictures may be missing from any given 'snapshot', so sort thru a few to find the best. Most links in the archived site will still work, so click away!



Q: The last question I asked was a follow-on to my earlier question. Don't you remember me?

A: Questions from the 'Ask Aaron' website used to all come from the same webmail server address. If they weren't signed we could only guess at who wrote them and we may not have known that a question was linked to an earlier discussion. Recently we switched to a different webmail system and we should be able to track this better. Remember, our psychic abilities are weak so please give us enough information to at least have a shot at answering your questions.



Aaron Joerger holding trophy at TLC Discovery Robotica, 2001 Q: Your photo at the top of the Ask Aaron home page is really old! When are you going to replace it?

A: I'll replace it when I win a bigger trophy.



Q: I have an idea for a robot, but I don't want to talk about it here. Is there some way I can ask you a question about it besides here where others can see it?

A: Just send it in thru the website and mark it 'CONFIDENTIAL'. I'll keep it between us.



Q: Hey, why don't you put all your recordings of [Robotica / Robot Wars / BattleBots] on You Tube?

A: The Team Run Amok video library contains recordings of every nationally televised combat robot event. We respect and honor the rights of the copyright holder for these programs. We will not place copywritten video on the internet and we do not support the efforts of those that do.



Q: Our Robocup robot can see in all directions and it is attracted to a red ball i.e. it drives to it. At the same time it is repelled from blue walls, i.e. when it comes too close to it, it moves backwards. Now assume the red ball lies in front of the blue wall. Describe the resulting behavior! Can you enhance on it? How?

A: Mark J. here: I get this same question, word for word, several times a year. Could you slackers at least re-word your class assignment before you send it in to us?

The behavior is classic approach / avoidance -- the robot will effectively 'lock up' and do nothing. The common solution adopted in sumo robots is to lock out the edge detection routines whenever the object detectors report you're heading toward your opponent.

Your Robocup robot can use a similar strategy: if the red ball is in your path, override the blue wall avoidance routine AND move toward the ball. A more sophisticated approach would utilize an elevated video camera looking down on the field to verify the relative positions of the wall and ball and determine action accordingly.




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