2027 Questions and Answers about Combat Robotics
from Team Run Amok


Team Run Amok receives a lot of email asking about the design and operation of combat robots. In 2002 my son and team member Aaron Joerger (now 18) requested a question and answer page to document our responses. Aaron answers most of the questions, but I'll step in if it gets very technical.

Aaron Joerger holding trophy at TLC Discovery Robotica, 2001
Aaron at Robotica - 2001
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Q: What ever happened to "Ellies litle pink bot" from the Robot Wars lightweight compitition?

A: 'Ellie's Litle Pink Bot' was one of many dozen robots that fought a single battle at Robot Wars, lost, and were never seen again. In this particular case E.L.P.B. was attacked by Growler, burned, crushed, dismembered, and thrown into The Pit. It probably went out with that night's trash.



Q: Would a spinning disk on an arm like the origanal dead metal work in todays competitions?

A: There's another post about 'Dead Metal's weapon down near the bottom of this page. The weapon was designed for cutting rather than blunt impact, and was used only after a competitor was already weakened and 'docile'. I don't believe that a similar weapon would be useable in open combat.



Q: Do you know the dimensions of 'Botwork', 'Sater', 'Ghettobot' and 'The Mangulator'?

A: Sorry, no. I also don't know Philippa Forrester's phone number, Craig Charles' shoe size, or how many bolts held the Robot Wars arena together.



Q: This may sound odd but would floppy disk cases be okay armor for an antweight? thanks

A: I make them better than graham crackers but not as good as a soup can. ABS plastic: far too thin, way too flexible.



Q: what does ziggy and toro use on there flippers

A: There is plenty of information on both 'Ziggy' and 'Toro' in the Robot Weapons archive, probably including the answer to whatever question it is that you're trying to ask. If you're asking about the gas they use to power their flippers: 'Toro' uses CO2 and 'Ziggy' uses High Pressure Air (HPA) at around 3000 PSI.



Q: Did A-Kill/Saw Point 2 have a website?

A: FAQ - question #25.

Q: Do you know of a picture of British featherweight 'Eddie Evolution'?

A: 'Eddie Evolution' fought only once, in Robot Wars Extreme Series 2: Robot Rampage. It drove into The Pit and was never seen again. No photo available.

Q: Was 'Eddie Evolution' related to 'A-Kill'/'Saw Point 2'?

A: They looked a bit alike, but I don't know of any relation.



Q: why are you a fat geek

A: I guess somebody fixed the computer in my pants - I'm getting email from an ***hole again.



Q: Hi Aaron, I've got some questions about Robot Wars Extreme Warriors Season 2.

1) Was Probophobia a walker? And how did it escape from the pit?

A: Probophobia was a wheeled robot, but it did have a pair of very long lifting arms sprouting from the sides of the machine that could rotate continuously in either direction. They could be used to drag/crawl forward in an emergency. These long lifting arms were able to get a grip on the edge of The Pit and lever Probophobia back onto the main arena surface during the Nickelodeon Robot Wars - the first and only time that a competitor escaped. Unfortunately, the rules say that once you're in The Pit you're out of the match - no reprieve possible.

2) Which robot was thrown out of the arena by Cyclone-Raptor?

A: I believe it was 'Hyperactive' in the second round of the Annihilator, but I'll have to check the tape to be sure. 'Cyclone' was the first spinner to throw an opponent out of the Robot Wars arena.

Q: I previously asked about Probophobia, thanks for the answers. Do you know which battle in Nickelodeon that it got out of the Pit?

A: I recall that it was in the 'Challenge Belt' competition against eventual champion 'TutTut'.



Q: [Chinese Forum] Why does Original Sin 2 isn't as successful as Original Sin?

A: It's difficult to comment on a robot that only fought two matches and lost them both. Both 'Original Sin' and 'Original Sin 2' fought at RoboGames '07 - perhaps the team resources were stretched too thin to properly support both robots?



Q: in the first series of Robot Wars USA Championships Final, why didn't panzer mk 2 flip the Revolutionist out of the arena when it was on the arena wall in a CPZ?

A: 'Panzer Mk 2' had a pneumatically adjustable front plow. It could raise or lower over about an 8" range. Although it could be used to provide a little 'boost' to an opponent, it was never intended to be an effective flipper.



Q: Were all the loanerbots in Robot Wars Extreme Warriors and in Nickelodeon Robot Wars made from the same parts like the UK competitors? Because I'm just wondering that's all.

A: Not sure what you mean by "same parts like the UK competitors." The loanerbots had square-tube steel chassis' and were powered by Bosch GPA 750 motors. These were common components used by the Robot Wars tech crew on the House Robots.



Q: could I do my "moving arena hazard" Idea of having a blade in the top center with wedges on the sides, but have the blade on pneumatics, so that it raises up from inside the bot when my opponent is on the top?

A: That either makes for a very tall 'bot or a very small blade, and I don't see what advantage you get by raising and lowering that blade. You could miss your opponent completely as they drive over. Better to put the blade somewhere where you can show aggression by pointing it at somebody and driving into them.



Q: I just got a pair of Whyachi T-boxes with some older small johnson motors mounted and some spare motors, So I replaced the older motors with the newer ones and now my gearbox doesnt seem to be working... when I turn the wheel it only moves about a half of an inch CW and CCW before it "stalls" Not under power it just doesnt turn. Any advice on what the problem is?

A: I'll assume the gearbox spins freely when the motor is removed? Possible problems:

  • wrong pinion gear on new motor shaft;
  • new motor shaft too long;
  • improper motor mounting hardware interfering with gear rotation;
  • foreign object fell into gearbox when replacing motor.



Q: [Chinese Forum] Did Team Mad Overlord filmed every fight in RG09 like they used to do during the early years? Could we watch those matches on their website some time later?

A: Ask them.



Q: The annual Roaming Robots award for best engineered featherweight seems to have gone to Team Plumb Crazy. Is it true? Do you know more about it?

A: No, not true. Featherweight 'Pain in the Asp' is the product of Team Torque in the UK. I'm assuming that they are admirers of Team Plumb Crazy and 'Sewer Snake', so they built a featherweight version. Details of the 'bot are at the Team Torque website.



Q: Would you reccomend the "CKRC WIGGLE" Hi Torque Servo for an antweight lifter? Do you think its a good servo compared to the Hitec 645mg? Also, for servo mounts, would you go with these fancy anodized aluminum wedges or these complicated bent brackets?

A: Mark J. here: the 'CKRC WIGGLE' is a re-branded Cirrus CS704MG Servo. I've used other Cirrus servos and found them to be reliable. I have not had 'hands on' this servo, so cannot compare it directly to the Hitec 645MG. The specifications look very good and the chatter on the web about them is good -- but I don't know any robot builders using them. YPYMYTYC.

You don't neen anything fancy to mount your lifter servo - a couple of blocks of UHMW polyethylene, polycarbonate, even wood will do nicely depending on your design. Spend that money on something more critical.



Q: The tires on my antweight are kinda smooth now, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to put a thin layer of pure silicon on them. I am using ultra light wheels sold by inertia labs. Does it matter what the tire material is like, or can you put silicon on any tire to increase traction?

A: Traction in an antweight arena is an elusive goal. Dust, oil spray, and other contaminants on the arena floor will spoil traction for any set-up, so don't expect miracles. That said, a thin layer of RTV silicone rubber applied to the tread surface can give a significant traction boost under some circumstances.

Silicone is gooey stuff to work with, and you have to work quickly and with a steady hand to get a satifactory job. If you've never worked with silicone before, practice applying a thin layer to some scrap objects before setting to work on your tires. Silicone bonds better to some materials than others, and you may get some peeling in even the best cases.

Clean the tire surfaces very well with alcohol and let dry. Apply a very thin, even layer to the tread of each tire and set aside to cure for at least 24 hours before use.



Q: [Chinese Forum] Does Care-Free wheels are perfect stuff to build a bot with good mobility? It seems some teams like Inertia-Labs and Sharpnel are very keen on using it...

A: Carefree Tires are made of centrifugally molded polyurethane foam which produces a lightweight, flatproof tire with a firm tread and flexible sidewalls. They take a great deal of abuse. We used them for front tires on heavyweight 'Run Away' in the second Robot Wars Extreme Warriors. Their downside is relatively poor traction compared to a conventional rubber tire of the same size. Some teams buff down the outer tread to get to a spongy layer with greater traction. I wouldn't call them 'perfect', but they do have their uses.



Q: We are building a new mobile service robot system using as a main control unit an embedded industrial PC. We have to interface to a motion controller board using either serial link RS232 or USB or CAN bus. Argue for one of the solutions by taking into account speed, price, reliability and sustainability.

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Q: a) What is the Potential Field Method and what is the inherent problem with it?

b) Would you say it is related to question 14 (in what way resp. why not)?

c) What is local minima? What can you do to avoid local minima? Explain

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Q: Our Robocup robot can see in all directions and it is attracted to a red ball i.e. it drives to it. At the same time it is repelled from blue walls, i.e. when it comes too close to it, it moves backwards. Now assume the red ball lies in front of the blue wall. Describe the resulting behavior! Can you enhance on it? How?

A: Mark J. here: we get the same questions from this same engineering class every few months -- word-for-word. That proves that they at least teach engineers how to cut-and-paste.

We won't answer your homework questions for you, slacker. If you'd bothered to read the FAQ you would have found some of your answers.



Q: Would a spring powered spike be a good/decent weapon?

A: There are many questions and answers about spring powered weapons in the Robot Weapons archive. Quite a few builders have tried them, but only one has been really successful. Pneumatics are a simpler, more powerful, and more popular solution.

Q: [Chinese Forum] Aaron, in your last question you said that there was only one bot using spring loaded system really succeeded - which is that one? I guess Derek Young's 'Son Of Smashy', wasn't that? Could you analyze why had SOS been that successful?

A: Yes, but no points for correct answers to your own questions ; ^ ) Derek's success with 'Son of Smashy' had less to do with the spring power than it did with being the first powerful overhead axe middleweight to turn up at BattleBots (Long Beach, 1999). The judges were impressed by Derek's aggression and ability to do some damage. When overhead axes became less of a novelty you needed more than spring power to impress the judges and pneumatic power took over.



Q: Hi, I was wondering if you knew what motors the antweight "Gilbert" uses? It seems VERY fast.

A: 'Gilbert' is very quick, but I'm not sure how fast. MH Robotics does not share much info on their robots - I don't know what motors 'Gilbert' currently uses.



Q: In terms of traction, would four mecanum wheels such as those sold by Fingertech Robotics be preferable to three or four ominwheels?

A: Mark J. here: neither Mechanum wheels nor omniwheels are known for a lot of traction, and neither design has an apparent theoretical advantage. The Fingertech Mechanum wheels have actual rubber rollers instead of the hard urethane rollers commonly found in omniwheels, so I'd give them a potential traction advantage. Clean the rollers before every match!



Q: [Chinese Forum] Is Maximus the first Bot equipped with hinged wedge? It looks like it is.

A: Mark J. here: 'Maximus'? Good heavens, no! I have photos of robots with hinged wedges dating back at least as far as the 1996 Robot Wars event. That's five years before 'Maximus' fought.

Q: Did Kevin Barker's 'Death By Translation' used Melty Brain system? And how could DBT spins at 1000rpm by only using one wheel?

A: Yes. 'Melty Brain' refers to any system that controls directional motion (translation) on a thwackbot by rapidly changing motor power as the robot spins. 'Death by Translation' uses Rich Olson's custom electronics to measure rotational speed with an accelerometer and pass that information on to a micro controller to do the power changes.

The physics of spinning with a single tangential wheel are difficult to describe. It's a bit like a spinning cowboy lariat - it's only supported on one side, but spinning forces keep it relatively stable. The single-wheel configuration does cause some problems; directional control is not good at higher speeds. It's an interesting experiment, but it has achieved no combat success to date.



Q: If one had a spinning weapon powered by a motor geared down 3:1, could they attach a flywheel to the motor shaft and make the blade lighter by the same weight as the flywheel in order to increase kinetic energy without increasing weight or blade rpm?

A: Mark J. here: you've been thinking pretty hard about this. The short answer is 'yes', but there are problems in implementing such a design.

  • The kinetic energy of a rotating object depends on mass, speed, and the shape of the object. The amount of KE lost from the blade would depend on where the mass was removed as well as how much mass was removed. The kinetic energy of the added flywheel is also dependent on it's shape as well as it's mass. The Team Run Amok Spinner Spreadsheet will help you calculate the rotational inertia of the blade and the proposed flywheel.

  • The energy stored in the added flywheel would need to be transmitted thru the gearing system to the blade at the instant of impact. That will place a great deal of extra stress on the gearing system. If a belt-drive is being used, the stored energy from the flywheel could be lost to slippage. If a chain or gear system is used, you risk breaking the drive. The added weight needed to reinforce the weapon drive could cost more weight than you'll save.



Q: Hey Aaron, Im 13 just built a simple wedge bot and I would like to build a more sophisticated robot. I see that a lot of the builders use CAD software, it seems like many high school builders use the student version of autodesk and I am wondering how to get a copy of autodesk. I dont have a school e-mail address so I cant download it for free. I eventually want to get some parts waterjeted or CNC cut. Any advice? Thanks.

A: I don't think you actually need an email at your school to download. Very few sub-college students will have one. Go to the Autodesk Education Community website, register with your regular email address, and see what happens.



Q: Do you think Bill Nye is awsome? I do. (Nice website)

A: Bill Nye is great at what he does. I didn't think he was a good match for BattleBots.



Q: I have an interesting idea. I was thinking of a dustpan like the one on S.O.B., but instead of a saw, a vertical spinner, going downwards. The point is too remove the other bots contact from the floor, negating the lift caused by the spinner hitting downwards. Or will it just tear itself apart?

A: I get it -- if you have a dustpan under your opponent you can strike downward without flipping your own robot upward. Not bad, but a downward striking rotary blade will also strike 'inward', jamming the blade and your opponent into the dustpan and against your own 'bot. You are correct that there would be large forces applied to your own robot structure as well.

Q: how about a four sided wedge with a blade in the center? so if you go up any side, you get shreded. Kind of like an arena hazard on wheels.

A: Relying on an opponent's actions to cause their own damage is not a winning strategy. You're also in real trouble if your opponent can get under your wedge - how do you apply your weapon then? Better to put your weapon in a position where you have direct control of its application.

I'm not trying to shoot down your ideas, but a good number of very creative builders have been thinking and experimenting with combat robot design for 15 years now. I'm convinced that every design that you or I can come up with has already been considered and possibly built by some competitor by now. The time for big new designs in combat robots is long past. Successful combat robots are based on quality design and construction.

Q: Also, (sorry if I'm bugging you) was the lightweight bot "crusher" from the same team that built bad Attitude?

Bad Attitude's front wedge A: Yes, Team Attitude and Thomas Petruccelli fought with lightweight 'Crusher' at BB 2.0 and BB 4.0.

Q: And since Bad Attitude is now "Nasty Attitude" would that raise the value of a "Bad Attitude" toy?

A: No.

Q: And, whats your opinion on bad attidude? I thought that he was pretty cool.

A: Nice robot. Well designed, well built, and well driven.



Q: Would it work if I put a spinning blade on the end of a four bar lifting arm above a wedge, so I could shred then flip?

A: Two problems:

  • When an impact spinner hits, there is enormous force placed on the weapon mount. Putting all that force out at the end of a lifting arm is going to give that force a lever to help it tear apart your lifter mounts. Robot Wars housebot 'Dead Metal' had a spinning blade mounted on a four-bar aparatus, but the circular blade had very small teeth designed for cutting -- not for impact.

  • I'm not a fan of multi-weapon designs. Each of the weapons will have less weight allowance and therefore less power. If your spinning bar is strong enough, you won't need to do any flipping and vice-versa. There have been plenty of multi-weapon robots, but no champions.



Q: Is it true that 'Run Amok' had a spinning blade on the bottom? That's what I heard, but I do not see it anywhere.

A: No, but I know how this rumor started. Run Amok used the main chassis elements from an old riding lawnmower that we salvaged from a junkyard. Some photos on the Run Amok Origins web page show the lawn mower with the original mowing blade still in place. The blade assembly was removed in stripping down the chassis, but the photo seems to have caused some confusion.



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